Yet ANITHER safety issue/question

[lcberlin]

The last 3 times I have shot my P-64 I have had issues with the safety and the trigger disconnect. Only with a round in the chamber, I can't get the disconnect to "reconnect"

I have thoroughly cleaned it...twice now...I load one in the mag, then load the chamber, put the safety on, drop the mag and add 6. I put KG10 dry moly lube on all the moving parts.

To make it work, I can apply a slight amount of pressure to the rear, like I was going to open the slide. It doesnt take much, and I can hear a 'click' and then things work normally. This problem didn't used to be there, I bought this gun last year, and it was fine up til recently.

Thanks for the help, y'all.

and I have read all, hopefully, of the other threads on this subject, and didn't find a solution.

[normsutton]

lcberlin

May I suggest clean the dry lube off the gun , the only dry lubricant I have ever use on a gun is graphite then I mix with the oil just spray the gun down with WD 40 , then whip off , I use WD 40 to clean the moving parts ,then oil and I don't care what kind of oil you use, I use 20/50 synthetic then whip off excessive oil and put a little grease on the rails of the gun , again I don't care what kind of grease you use then whip off excessive.

try putting the safety on before you load the first round

NORM

[lcberlin]

Sir:

Thanks for the advice. I only recently purchased the dry lube moly, for a different pistol, and thought I would try it on my P64. I normally use RemOil with Teflon, and Hoppe's Gun Oil for all my pistols.

I did as you advised, put the safety on then cycled the action, and it acts the same way, the disconnect won't move back up for the trigger to engage. Slight rear ward pressure on the slide still lets it happen.

No round in the chamber, and it works fine. Live round, and it doesn't. Mostly, I only have the safety on when loading, I carry it 6+1, hammer down, safety off. I shoot in my backyard, and right now finding an empty in the leaves and snow is rather difficult. Guess I could just put my hand over the ejection and "catch" it that way, maybe.

[normsutton]

lcberlin


I have 4 P-64's the only way I can any of them to do what you are talking about is to have the gun not go into full battery or have the trigger return spring come off the pin on the trigger bar witch causes the disconnector not to come up

with out holding the gun in my hands I don't know what to tell you

NORM

[lcberlin]

Is the only way to look at the trigger return spring to remove the slide stop bar, part #22, as shown on page 12 of the disassembly guide?

[normsutton]

lcberlin

I think if you take off the slide and the grips an turn the gun on its right side and the trigger bar will fall off its not right sometimes

its suppose to look like this




NORM

[lcberlin]

Thanks, kind sir.

I took it apart when I got home this morning, and it looks like it should...



Photo doesn't show it well, but when I look at it, it looks like your photo, Norm. Thanks for the help.

Don't know what else to do, either. Well, I am going to try one more thing. I have the Wolff 22lb recoil spring in. I will put the original back in place and see what that does. Nothing, I expect.

[lcberlin]

Ok, I have played with it some more. Haven't got to the spring yet, because I noticed something else.

I left the right side grip off, loaded a round, and then rotated the safety on and off. The disconnector stays down. The tab on the disconnector was even with the outside edge of the trigger bar. Pushing in on the tab of the disconnector would cause the disconnector to move up from the pressure of the trigger bar spring.




So I looked at my slide a bit more. I found what I consider to be large-ish divots just in front of the safety barrel, here is the photo:




The divots have created a small burr where the safety barrel rotates down to move the disconnector, and I think that the disconnector is hanging up on that after I rotate the safety back off. There is a lot, to me, of wiggle in the disconnector, also.

Mr. Norm, what do you think of the divots in the slide? Is that normal wear and tear? And how much wiggle is normal for the disconnector? I can move mine approximatly half the width of the trigger bar.

Thanks, kind sir.

[normsutton]

lcberlin

I thinks that's normal wear and the disconnector is suppose to wiggle some

the one on the left is 1976 on right hard chromed 1969

you might check the grips a see if the trigger bar is rubbing against them

by the way excellent pix lcberlin



NORM

[davebaird]

Not to interfere, but don't those burrs look like they need taken off? Maybe the safety was replaced at some point and the divits were over-stamped? Wow.

Dave

[normsutton]

lcberlin
where its burnished over into the slot where the disconnector slide up into you might want to rubber wheel it out and see if that helps

NORM

[lcberlin]

I worked on it some more today. First I put the original recoil spring back in, and as expected that did nothing for the problem.

Then I worked on those wear marks on the slide. First is another "before" photo...



And then this is an "after" photo...



As of right now, the problem is solved. I have not shot it yet, but cycling it by hand shows no problems.

Thanks for all the help and advice. Mr. Norm, do you happen to know when the hard chrome slides were discontinued? That picture of your '69 slide shows that they were nicer. Mine is a 1975. Thanks again!

[normsutton]

lcberlin

I had the whole gun hard chromed ,had it done by http://www.elitecustomguns.com/




some others I had done













NORM

[lcberlin]

Wow, that is some nice work. I should have something like that done. I don't care for the shiny, tho. Have to go with the black chrome, like Ford's in Florida used to do. Just my personal preference.

Thanks for sharing, Mr Norm.

[blinddog]

Maybe I am reading this wrong, but, on my P-64's I have to load six rounds in the mag rack the bullet in and put it on safety. They both will not reload properly when it has one in the pipe and 6 in the mag. Weird!!