This is a bit of a variety of subjects so I will break them down by item numbers.
I visited Tenneroc Gun Range near Lakeland Florida today with the wife (she fired her 1913 .38 Special revolver - very accurate and her .357 Mag Uberti - she likes low loads so they don't hurt her hands. She also shot her .30-.30 Winchester and now has a bruised shoulder - not a happy camper tonight!! Strangely enough she handled the Mossberg 500 12 guage with pistol grip with no problems but learned not to hold it in front of her stomach- OOF!)
1) My P-64's behaved like champs!
2) My FEG PA-63 is O.K., but with all 7 rounds in the mag it fails to always go into battery. Also the single action trigger pull is very "gritty". Can anything be done to smooth it out? Are there any recommended manuals for a complete disassembly/reassembly of the PA-63. Also recommended changes in spring poundages?
3) Some have asked about reloading for the 9x18 Mak. I cut down 9X19 brass with a Lee cutter in my electric drill - Cutter available from Midway for about 8 bucks. First, de prime, size and flare case mouth so cutter will fit. Lee 3 die set from Midway about $20.00. I use a 92-95 grain lead bullet with 3 grains of Bullseye or 3 grains of W231. Makes for a comfortable target/recreational round.
4) Got to try out my recently aquired Chinese SKS Type 56 in 7.62 X 39. I decided to go with a 30 round mag and special adapter from D.C. Engineering, 17195 Silver Parkway #135, Fenton, Mi. 48430 Phone (248-382-1210) They also make products under "Hitech" Anyway, people have had problems with the duckbill hi-cap mags, but this different design worked flawlessly for me. Apparently they make the mags to specially fit all the different variants of the SKS, Yugos, Chinese, Russian etc, and test fire them before sending them to the customer. They are not cheap, $85.00 with occasional discounts, and an additional discount if you are an N.R.A. member. They come with a lifetime guarantee. - I have nothing to do with the company, but was attracted to and have found the design very successful for me. My SKS had no trigger slap and accuracy seemed good.
4) Finally got to shoot my Yugo M70-AB2 underfolder AK-47 variant. This has a bit of trigger slap but other wise flawless.
5) Final word - stock up on 7.62X39 and 9X18 Mak ammo before price increases really hit! Aim Surplus has 1000 rounds of Golden Tiger 7.62X39 for $159.95, about $180.00 shipped and Silver Bear Mak for $7.50 for a 50 round box.
Happy shooting everyone and any information on questions in my post will be most welcome!
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doctor12004
I use a 9# WOLFF hammer spring in both PA-63 and a 15 # recoil spring in mine
http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/FegNF.html#PA63
next time you go to Tenoroc let me know I live in S LAKELAND
PA-63 manual
http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/manowar/images/PA63.pdf
NORM
I use a 9# WOLFF hammer spring in both PA-63 and a 15 # recoil spring in mine
http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/FegNF.html#PA63
next time you go to Tenoroc let me know I live in S LAKELAND
PA-63 manual
http://www.angelfire.com/oh2/manowar/images/PA63.pdf
NORM
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NORM,
Thanks a bunch! However I have the manual you suggested, but what I really need is a manual showing complete disassembly like there is on this forum for the P-64. How can I get the "grittiness" out of the trigger pull?
Thanks a bunch! However I have the manual you suggested, but what I really need is a manual showing complete disassembly like there is on this forum for the P-64. How can I get the "grittiness" out of the trigger pull?
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Doc,
I had the same problem with my PA-63 when I first bought it. Did a swap of both the recoil and hammer springs from WOLFF GUN SPRINGS. My pistole's trigger was really gritty and had a nasty audible click before it went off. After shooting it a while everything smoothed right out and the click disappeared. The trigger is as smooth as it can be and the accuracy is as good as or better than my P-64. I know that this comment is considered heresy by some but the gun and I just click and I shoot it better than I do the P-64. The other positives are the gun is lighter than the P6-4, the frame is titanium alloy, it holds one more round than the P-64 and the muzzle velocity is greater than the P-64. Add those positive aspects together with the improved accuracy and it is my favorite 9x18. The one draw back that the pistol has for most is the thumb rest on the grip, I find that the thumb rest gives me greater control when I'm doing double and triple strings of taps. Don't give up on it, with a little patience you may learn to love the gun as much as I and others do.
Gunney Rabbit.
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The prices for the PA-63 and P-64 are starting to go up, values are now about double of what I payed for mine. If you find you don't like it, store it away for a year or so and the profit will make the investment worth while.
G.R.
I had the same problem with my PA-63 when I first bought it. Did a swap of both the recoil and hammer springs from WOLFF GUN SPRINGS. My pistole's trigger was really gritty and had a nasty audible click before it went off. After shooting it a while everything smoothed right out and the click disappeared. The trigger is as smooth as it can be and the accuracy is as good as or better than my P-64. I know that this comment is considered heresy by some but the gun and I just click and I shoot it better than I do the P-64. The other positives are the gun is lighter than the P6-4, the frame is titanium alloy, it holds one more round than the P-64 and the muzzle velocity is greater than the P-64. Add those positive aspects together with the improved accuracy and it is my favorite 9x18. The one draw back that the pistol has for most is the thumb rest on the grip, I find that the thumb rest gives me greater control when I'm doing double and triple strings of taps. Don't give up on it, with a little patience you may learn to love the gun as much as I and others do.
Gunney Rabbit.
P.S.
The prices for the PA-63 and P-64 are starting to go up, values are now about double of what I payed for mine. If you find you don't like it, store it away for a year or so and the profit will make the investment worth while.
G.R.
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Did you have to drill and tap for the DC Engineering adapter? I used to see them around, but the design I saw required you to either drill the recoil lug, or attach the adapter to your stock. How did yours attach? Did you have to adjust it any before it locked well?
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gunneyrabbit,
Thanks for your reassurance on the PA-63's gritty trigger. I have two of them, and really like them. I also find the thumb rest to be helpful, but my wife hates it as a she is a left handed shooter! I keep a PA-63 in my backpack I take to work. It is actually designed for a laptop, but suits my needs well. In the back section there is a pocket for a mouse, and my PA-63 in a small holster fits in perfectly and is held in place by a velcro strap! Got it (the backpack) from Wal*Mart for under $15.00 made by Eastsport Outdoor Company.
slackone,
In answer to your question on the DC Engineering adaptor for my Chinese Type 56 SKS. The current model they sell requires no drill or tap. Here's how it fits: Remove the fire control (trigger) group, and the standard magazine, then lift off the stock. The adaptor is kind of like a clothespeg on steroids. You fit the adaptor onto the lug the standard mag fits on and tighten down a hex bolt - do this while you can see everything. Then take the adaptor off and replace the stock. Now with the stock somewhat obscuring your view, but knowing how the adaptor fits, reattach it making sure it is centered with an equal amount of gap between both sides of the stock. Now reinstall the trigger group and seat the 30 round mag (actually a 37 rounder). It goes in at a bit of an angle, and it helps to have the bolt open while doing this. Close the bolt, chambering a round and you are good to go and go and go! When you are done, the standard mag release lever allows you to remove the mag. The manafacturer does say the system requires a little breaking in, but mine functioned great from the get-go. Also some stocks may require a little wood removal in the mag well - mine didn't. The adaptor was just fine and didn't budge a bit. They send a DVD with each purchase, and I found it an excellent help to review before installation, as it shows how to do everything.
Thanks for your reassurance on the PA-63's gritty trigger. I have two of them, and really like them. I also find the thumb rest to be helpful, but my wife hates it as a she is a left handed shooter! I keep a PA-63 in my backpack I take to work. It is actually designed for a laptop, but suits my needs well. In the back section there is a pocket for a mouse, and my PA-63 in a small holster fits in perfectly and is held in place by a velcro strap! Got it (the backpack) from Wal*Mart for under $15.00 made by Eastsport Outdoor Company.
slackone,
In answer to your question on the DC Engineering adaptor for my Chinese Type 56 SKS. The current model they sell requires no drill or tap. Here's how it fits: Remove the fire control (trigger) group, and the standard magazine, then lift off the stock. The adaptor is kind of like a clothespeg on steroids. You fit the adaptor onto the lug the standard mag fits on and tighten down a hex bolt - do this while you can see everything. Then take the adaptor off and replace the stock. Now with the stock somewhat obscuring your view, but knowing how the adaptor fits, reattach it making sure it is centered with an equal amount of gap between both sides of the stock. Now reinstall the trigger group and seat the 30 round mag (actually a 37 rounder). It goes in at a bit of an angle, and it helps to have the bolt open while doing this. Close the bolt, chambering a round and you are good to go and go and go! When you are done, the standard mag release lever allows you to remove the mag. The manafacturer does say the system requires a little breaking in, but mine functioned great from the get-go. Also some stocks may require a little wood removal in the mag well - mine didn't. The adaptor was just fine and didn't budge a bit. They send a DVD with each purchase, and I found it an excellent help to review before installation, as it shows how to do everything.