Back to Factory Hammer Spring?

gunneyrabbit · Post by **gunneyrabbit** » July 6th, 2007, 8:52 pm

Hello all,
One of things that I noticed about these god awful allergy medications I'm on is that they make you very jumpy, not unlike what one experiences when under extreme stress and I did not like the result. On three occasions at the range the other day I had accidental discharges while I was still aiming at the target. This gave me reason to pause and wonder if something similar might happen in an extreme stress situation. Consequently I cut the shoot short to ponder this new twist in my thinking. I have come to the decision that if I'm going to carry this or any other of my 9x18 pistole's I probably need to go to a heavier hammer spring, possibly the factory original. I plan to order several heavier springs from Wolff Springs and go through the process of a change that will work for me. Any one else have similar thoughts or experiences?
Gunny Rabbit.

Post by **normsutton** » July 6th, 2007, 9:21 pm

GR

sorry about that I guess I should of said they made a verity pack

HAMMER SPRING PAK - reduced power, contains 1 each of 9, 11 and 13 pound reduced power hammer springs, allowing adjustment of the firearm to individual requirements.
Stock No. 32799.....$ 9.00

NORM

gunneyrabbit · Post by **gunneyrabbit** » July 6th, 2007, 9:56 pm

NORM,
No need to apologies, when I spoke to the girl at the counter what I ordered was the pak #32799. Just got mixed up in translation, seems to be the human condition now a days.
I'll get another set ordered tomorrow and go from there.

G.R.

bzinggg · Post by **bzinggg** » July 6th, 2007, 10:43 pm

Everyone is different! I had and have similar thoughts and experiences and I first voiced them with my first post on this great forum:

http://p64.proboards67.com/index.cgi?bo ... 1149017901

Add edit: I swore to myself before God years and years ago that if I pull the trigger on someone, it will be because I absolutely have to and INTEND to.

bZinggg.

nbender · Post by **nbender** » July 6th, 2007, 11:39 pm

gunney, I've always thought that the heavy, long pull DA of the military trigger on the P-64, Makarov, PA-63 and others is an actual asset. It won't be noticed if ever it's needed and it's a safety measure. For some like me, that's the reason not to alter the springs.

Post by **normsutton** » July 7th, 2007, 5:00 am

GR
I will buy the 9# PA-63 hammer spring off you if you don't like it because as soon as I can find another BR-61 I will be needing it but only the 9#

NORM

redfestiva · Post by **redfestiva** » July 7th, 2007, 7:22 am

gunneyrabbit, I went back to a factory original hammer spring because with all other lighter springs I tried, my P-64 would not shoot in DA mode 100% of the time. With some of the lighter springs my magazine would drop after last round fired. With the factory spring I have had 100% reliable performance so the choice for me was obvious. I know many forum members have had no problems with spring chances but many have also reported failures after spring changes, even recoil spring changes.I think the guys at Radom knew what they were doing in my opinion.

saands · Post by **saands** » July 12th, 2007, 8:11 pm

I'm certain that the guys at Radom knew what they were doing!

That being said, I think that they may have had different design goals than some of us. Also, because it was SOOOOO difficult to find a stiffer recoil spring in 2006/7, I tend to believe that the guys at Radom in 1964 were also limited by the quality (and hence the strength) of the springs that they could get. I think that they picked the hammer spring intentionally ... but would have used a stiffer recoil spring had it been technologically feasible at the time.

I've actually noticed that the unintentional discharges on a SA shot following a DA shot actually went away with the lighter spring ... the insane difference between the factory DA and the subsequent SA made it so that I used to routinely "double-tap" (unintentionally) when I fired a DA shot. My "double-taps" were NOT controlled pairs like DTs on a 1911, where both rounds hit within a couple of inches at 7yds, though, the DA "DT" from teh P64 was a reasonable, but labored shot followed by a miss. THAT scared me. Just my experience ... but I have migrated back toward the factory weights on the hammer springs, just not all the way back. I like the Wolff 20 pounders the best.

Saands

brigade · Post by **brigade** » July 12th, 2007, 10:53 pm

That is what I use is the 20lb recoil springs for both the slide and trigger and have not had any trouble.
-Troy

Post by **normsutton** » July 13th, 2007, 4:06 am

GUYS

I thought we were taking about the PA-63 and WOLFF doesn't make a 20# anything for the PA-63

http://www.gunsprings.com/SemiAuto/FegNF.html#PA63

NORM

Post by **papabear** » July 13th, 2007, 8:23 am

+ 1 with bzinggg and nbender,

I know we all have different opinions and ideas about what would and should be changed on the P-64 to make it a better pistol, and I don't have a problem with that, to each his own. However, in the last year I have heard of more problems with the P-64 after changing the springs. Before all the spring changing really started all you heard about was the heavy DA pull and the rest of the problems were generally caused by "NOT" completely cleaning the P-64 throughly, but now we have all sorts of this and that problems.

Of the 5 P-64's I have had and shot at least 500 to 1,000 rounds through, and without changing anything except the grips, I have not had a problem with any of them, not even a jam. I throughly cleaned them, polished the feed ramp and have shot the living daylights of them, have fed them a buffet of different bands of ammo and types, and yet have "NOT" had a FTF [failure to fire], no stove pipe jams, no won't go into battery, etc, etc, etc. I come from a long of, "if it ain't broke don't fix it". Once I ran 500 rds or more down the tube the DA loosened up and is just fine, yes its a tad heavy but in no way is it difficult to shoot.

I'll bet that everyone that shot in the Independence Day Shoot shot their P-64 in the SA mode. The P-64 is not a target pistol, its a police and military type pistol, and for CCW it a fine pistol just the way it is, speaking for myself of course. I am sure I come off as wacky or half cocked most of the time, and I admit I am old fashioned, and getting on up there in years, but trying to make a P-64, which is somewhat a unique and fine pistol in its own right, and fires a very capable 9x18 round, a target pistol or a smooth rooting and tooting pistol that it was not designed for is beyond me. This is just my opinion and does not reflect the view's of the majority of this board, and sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes, end of rant!!!

papabear

beasleydano · Post by **beasleydano** » July 13th, 2007, 8:48 am

I totally agree with papabear. I am no gunsmith. I clean em and shoot em and repeat as much as possible. No problems with mine.

redfestiva · Post by **redfestiva** » July 13th, 2007, 8:53 am

Papabear,
Reading your "rant" reminded me of my high school days when many guys changed everything they could on their cars to make them better performers. Souped up this and high performance that. Often tiimes the real result was that the car would'nt run half the time or at best was unreliable. I agree with you that there has been a spike in problems ever since
Wolf began offering custom recoil springs for the P-64. If a company really wants to sell some good P-64 parts they'd be making a variety of grips like resin ones in different colors and patterns and rubberized grips. It looks like about every member of this board would be up for that.

saands · Post by **saands** » July 13th, 2007, 9:54 am

If a company really wants to sell some good P-64 parts they'd be making a variety of grips like resin ones in different colors and patterns and rubberized grips. It looks like about every member of this board would be up for that.

Now THAT has to be something that we can all agree on

Especially some overmolded rubber ones!

Papabear: if that is your idea of a rant, you must have gone through life without offending anyone ... sounded like observations and your opinion to me ... and you didn't even mix the two up

I don't think that it is possible to step on toes (at least not mine) following those rules of engagement. For the record, I agree that swapping parts can (does?) affect function and I'd say that, more often than not, the effect is negative. I evaluate the changes and swap the negative changes back out, though, so my net results are more positive than negative by definition ... "my definition" ... of course

Saands

bzinggg · Post by **bzinggg** » July 13th, 2007, 10:02 am

PBs a considerate and diplomatic individual, and well worth his salt.

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