Heavy Recoil????

ccpd · Post by **ccpd** » April 10th, 2007, 10:45 pm

I am confused when I read in postings and other websites that this weapon has a heavy felt recoil. What is the felt recoil being compared to? People writing articles for gun magazines don't complain when they are shooting a 44 mag out of a snubbie. I personally would not want to BUT I would expect this to certainly be the case.

My only issue so far with the "recoil" is my inability to keep follow-up shots on target. After a normal double tap, I start to wander on the paper. I am an average shooter, but I think with practice it will improve. My regular weapon is a Glock 22, with which I shoot very well but it is too bulky and heavy for CCW.

Maybe someone can clarify the parameters of "heavy felt recoil".

redfestiva · Post by **redfestiva** » April 10th, 2007, 11:06 pm

CCPD,
I was worried about the recoil before I got P-64 because of the many many articles I read saying the recoil was "brutal, a bear, punishing" and so on. I was especially concerned that my shooting partner and wife would'nt be able to handle it. I took the chance anyway and was very surprised . I actually like the recoil. It has "attitude but it is not painful. My wife uses a shooting glove to practise and thinks the P-64 is comparable to our 38 special revolver. I wonder if the difference is the way people hold the pistol or perhaps the size of their hand that is a factor. I'd say my hands are small to average. I can see where a guy with large hands might have a different experience shooting the small P-64. Likewise I've read many reports of the very small Keltec P3AT being a hand ripper, probably the same thing going on there, small frame gun, big hands. Just my .02 worth.

steve98664 · Post by **steve98664** » April 11th, 2007, 1:12 am

I think the recoil on this pistol is heavier than others due to the size. I think it does get painful to shoot this pistol if I go over 3 or 4 boxes of ammo.

The grip is small, but I can hold the pistol tightly. I seem to keep my groups easily inside of 6" if not smaller at 15 yards. Shot to shot isn't an issue. Due to my grip on the pistol, this is actually my most accurate Mak caliber pistol right now with my CZ82 a close second.

I tried out about 2 boxes of ammo after my recoil spring change and it didn't seem to help to have the new 20# spring. Maybe a bit.

Feels like the recoil is much better distributed on my hand with my Mak or my CZ82. They have a larger grip and fatter with the CZ82 grip or my Mak with the pearce grip.

I usually shoot Mesko or Silver Bear HP and FMJ.

I think S&B is a bit lighter of a load from the feel of it with my P64.

A couple of guys have mentioned they are older and their hands don't take recoil as well. I know I've seen posts about hand loads with lighter loads to prevent sharper recoil.

Its hard to deny the P64 has a sharp recoil, in my opinion.

bzinggg · Post by **bzinggg** » April 11th, 2007, 1:51 am

It's more complex than the factor of handsize alone. What the shooter does with their hands at work, sports, avocation, etc., makes the tissues, connective tissues and muscle, and nerve tissue and its lining, and the vascular network in relation to its strength and resiliance, more suitably adapted to the impact of pistol recoil. If one taps on a keyboard all day, chances are when they shoot the P-64, they are going to suffer ill effects and inflammation in those tissues from repetitive slapping by a 2 lb. slab of steel. The hard plastic grips offer no damper to speak of and they are smashing tender flesh against hard bone.

Where the shooter is a tradesman, technician or craftsman the hand is padded and toughened, with increased grip strenth and durability. I am a cabinet maker, carpenter, furniture and cuemaker. For years I did all my own mechanic work. I could perform well welding, falling trees and milling lumber, forming for, pouring and finishing concrete, digging and laying pipeline, prepping and painting, operating lathes and mills in the machine shop, running backhoes and loaders, setting irrigation tubes, grooming horses, building fence out in the rangeland or in the residential communities. The list goes on.

As you can imagine, I have no problem with the recoil of handguns. Try running a pneumatic hammer for a few days and you begin to see the difference between some of us and others.
A bricklayers hands are so hard that if he slaps you, you feel like somebody took a two-by-four and struck you across the face.

I go on ad nauseum, but I've been planning to for some time in regards to this oft repeated comment about the recoil of the P-64 pistol. Because it is light, relatively, and powerful, something has to absorb the shock of the recoil when it is fired. THAT WOULD BE YOUR HAND!, folks.

I suggest that if you like to shoot, or if you want to shoot often to keep sharp in order that you may live through an assault, then it is reasonable to an intelligent person that it is advisable to condition your hands and strengthen your grip and wrist, forearm and shoulders.

Now, even if you don't shoot, you all know that you should do this anyway. Life calls for labor and physical exertion in a multitude of instances, trust me. But shooting well and enjoying it is a grand and profitable incentive that surely will finally make it worthwhile for the laziest of you to take some action towards this advisable goal.

Post by **papabear** » April 11th, 2007, 8:54 am

bzinggg,

Good post, and generally speaking I agree 100%. I am 63 and retired, med size hands, pushed a pencil a lot, but love to work with my hands in the yard and around the house and on the vehicles. I have never had a problem with the recoil from the P-64, I will say that the custom grips I have from Zee and Dennis have made what recoil there was seem some lighter, however, my main concern was control of the P-64 while shooting, with the orig flat grips and the thumb-rest grips the P-64 would tend to move around in my hand especially when I would rapid fire. With the custom Zee and Dennis grips I don't have that problem or a recoil problem.

I find it interesting when some talk about perceived recoil, IMHO, perceived recoil is just that, you perceived what the recoil is, not what the actually recoil is. But after you have shot the P-64 then you know what the recoil is. If you perceive what the recoil is that just makes the the actual recoil that much worse it you think the recoil is going to be strong or bad. Anyway, just my $0.02 worth.

Papabear

garry · Post by **garry** » April 11th, 2007, 9:22 am

if you want to compare recoil? start here ! scroll down to video near bottom for recoil demonstrations. aheeem...... lololol G
http://newsaboutguns.com/

ccpd · Post by **ccpd** » April 11th, 2007, 10:40 am

Garry,
Now that was FUNNY!!

CCPD

garry · Post by **garry** » April 11th, 2007, 11:03 am

lolol towels were a flyin' . G

nicksterdemus · Post by **nicksterdemus** » April 12th, 2007, 10:18 pm

"heavy felt recoil", subjective as in who's doin the shootin', relative 2 what else ya shootin'. My take is though it's all steel it's also skinny so there's less area 2 put more recoil on a smaller area of ya hand. Coz the muzzle wants 2 rise it seems 2 focus the energy right on the web twixt ya thumb n index fanger. That's right fanger. As opposed 2 a more even distribution thru-out the hand..................

bzinggg · Post by **bzinggg** » April 12th, 2007, 10:31 pm

Absolutely.

gunneyrabbit · Post by **gunneyrabbit** » April 13th, 2007, 11:05 pm

NEWS ABOUT GUNS ?

I'd love to know what the caliber of the Ruger Safari Rolling Block is?.............. G.R.

OUCH THAT REALLY HURTS !

abwehr · Post by **abwehr** » April 14th, 2007, 5:41 am

I have never been sensative to recoil from rifles or handguns so the P-64 does not bother me or make my hand sore. But I have a rifle I bought about 5 years ago; an Oberndorf Mauser Mod 96 in .300 Win Magnum that weighs about 6.5 lbs and the Zeiss scope added another 1.5 lbs. The stock is typical German splinter style with the narrow butt. The recoil to my shoulder is very sharp and hurts, LOL! When I bought the rifle, I had intentions to take it out West for some long range hunting so I decided the recoil was OK since I would probably only have one shot for game anyway. The problem is when I need to practice with it before a hunt, I have to use a pad on my shoulder to help a little. If this rifle was not shooting 3/4 MOA, I would get rid of it. My shoulder hurts more from this one than shooting a .458 Win Mag!

bzinggg · Post by **bzinggg** » April 14th, 2007, 2:47 pm

That is very light for such a caliber.

abwehr · Post by **abwehr** » April 16th, 2007, 4:49 pm

bzinggg,

It sure is light for this caliber, but it is a "honey" to carry. Just shooting is the tough part, LOL!

searcher36 · Post by **searcher36** » April 17th, 2007, 11:46 am

Personally I dont find the recoil on a P-64 bad at all. I'm 5'7 130 pounds or so and can handle it nicely. Heres a vid of me shooting it.
http://s48.photobucket.com/albums/f222/ ... -64004.flv
recoil could be ALOT worse imagine shooting this...lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQyILdv-KZ8

Rob

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