kinda off p64 subject

pirk56 · Post by **pirk56** » January 25th, 2007, 6:12 pm

hey guys, i was just wondering if a Jennings J25, .25 ACP pistol. is a good gun, a guy at my school is selling one for 60 or obo, im not familar with this gun, i havent seen the gun yet, but says its in good condiition, but please give me some imput and let me know if its a good fun, how easy it is to get ammo, price of it, and if its a good all around gun, thanks Pirk

bzinggg · Post by **bzinggg** » January 25th, 2007, 7:14 pm

A jennings is a pot metal gun, generally known as a "saturday night special". Avoid it. If you want a .25, save and get a Berreta or a Colt. Almost any caliber is better though. I'd rather have a .22 Derringer than a .25.

115grfmj · Post by **115grfmj** » January 25th, 2007, 7:56 pm

Those kinds of guns, are usually a mistake you only make once >:(.......my advice why waste your money??? Save up and buy a good peice of harware. There's an expression "price is forgotten long before quality"

himmel · Post by **himmel** » January 25th, 2007, 8:16 pm

I'll join in--Jennings is a hit-and-miss proposition at best, and i'm not referring necessarily to accuracy... but could someone tell me why .22 is better than .25??

beasleydano · Post by **beasleydano** » January 25th, 2007, 9:47 pm

Pirk 56

I will just echo everyone else's opinion on the .25 generally and the Jennings specifically. I would rather have one than no gun at all, but that's about it. Regarding .25 vs. .22, in a subcompact pistol the .25 probably has a slight edge on .22LR in regard to ballistics & reliability but .22LR is not that far behind and is lot cheaper. I haven't looked at any figures in recent years but I was always appalled to see the ammo industry report that the .25 was the best selling ammo in the USA. I wonder how many people have bought a .25 Raven, Jennings, etc. and one box of ammo and have never even fired a round! Or how many have dry-fired it, broken the firing pin and don't even know it!

himmel · Post by **himmel** » January 25th, 2007, 10:13 pm

Now there's a chilling thought...

Ever have "rim-lock" issues with .22s? I would think that's one area where the .25 would be superior...

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » January 26th, 2007, 12:00 am

the big advantage of the 22 is not the knock down neither is very effective as we know the 22 goes in hard and fast and bounces around causing all kinda damage (sorry that sounds blood thirsty and I am not) the 25 has been known to almost stop or not penetrate if if it meets any kinda of interference. I agrre for a little more get a p64 if for protection for plinking stay with the 22 not as much skill(dont get mad over that) a lot cheaper and easy to manage. there are a lot of them of good quality for not much more then the one mentioned. I also think the 25 is sold so much is by newbies or people who think the 22 is nothing and the 25 must be better.

barnett3006 · Post by **barnett3006** » January 26th, 2007, 12:24 am

.25 ballistics are generally around 800 fps with 45 - 50 ft lbs (although Hornady lists theirs as 900 fps and 63 ft lbs), whereas .22LR is generally in the 1200 fps zone and 130 ft lbs. CCI Quick-Shok 22LR with a 32 Gr bullet is moving around 1640 fps and 191 ft lbs (191 ft lbs is up there with our 9x18mm). These numbers are, of course, relative to barrel length...the .25's are listed with test barrels of 2" and the .22 info I looked at didn't have test barrel lengths listed but I would imagine that they are at least 4 or 5".

.25acp is still susceptible to rim-lock as it is a semi-rimless case design...the rim is not as wide as compared to a rimmed case but rim-lock can still happen.

If i had to pick I would take the 22 over the .25. I would rather have (if it had to be 25 caliber) a NAA Guardian in .25NAA...

http://www.naaminis.com/25NAA.html

https://dakotaammo.net/shop/index.php?cPath=21_29

Pretty impressive if you ask me...

pirk56 · Post by **pirk56** » January 26th, 2007, 12:46 am

just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the imput, with out yall, i would have prolly made a bad discion, he has already emaild me and said it was sold, ide like to get a lil 22, they are fun to shoot, and ammo is cheap, i just saw the price of that gun, and thought hell, might as well find out bout it, jsut have to save up, and look for a deal, and ask yall bout it, but thanks again Pirk

devlinfaust · Post by **devlinfaust** » January 26th, 2007, 9:41 am

Pirk 56,

If you are saving up for a quality small auto, don't overlook the Kel-tecs. I have two in .32acp., and have had only one malfunction in several hundred rounds fired. It may be that the malfunction was ammo related, rather than gun related. The price of the Kel-tec in .32 or .380 is kind of steep, around $230 or so, I think. But you get arguably the most concealable pistol out there.

However, unless you have to have micro-size pistol, may I strongly suggest the P-64. A little bigger and heavier, but still quite concealable and the 9x18 is far stronger the .22, .25. 32 or .380 (excluding 'magic' .380 shells).

I've never owned a Jennings, but I've heard nothing but bad things about them. I had a Raven once, which was supposed to be a good, cheap .25. Well, I will say that it was cheap.

I tend to disagree about any gun is better than none. What if your life depends on it, you pull it out and it doesn't function? You may be in even more dire straits in such a situation. We spend a ton of bucks on house insurance, car insurance, etc. Going an extra $100 for a P-64 over the Jennings or even an extra $200 for a Kel-tec, would likely be the best 'life insurance' you could buy and you'll only have to pay it once! With a modicum of care, the P-64 will last a very, very long time (and my guess is, so would the kel-tec).

Good luck on your future purchase.

duggi60 · Post by **duggi60** » January 26th, 2007, 8:09 pm

The KT 380 is a great pistol, I have one but I also have three
P64s -- all A+++++ ccw weapons.

abwehr · Post by **abwehr** » January 27th, 2007, 7:14 am

I have fooled around with most of the lower priced pistols mentioned and I have to agree with "devlinfaust". The Kel-Tec is a nice pistol. A friend of mine has one in .32 auto and it is very small and the grip is thin; a good hideaway pistol in the pocket. We went thru a couple of boxes of ammo without the first hiccup. If the price is low like the Jennings, you usually get what you pay for especially in the low powered pistols. Another pistol I don't like is the Hi Point. This is just my opinion, but I don't trust them. Anything where your life may depend on it, buy the best you can.

himmel · Post by **himmel** » January 29th, 2007, 10:12 am

Speaking of "anything where your life may depend on it"-- I got a bit "put out" Saturday at a gun shop in Houston--maybe some of the wiser heads around here can tell me how far off-base I am. A guy brought in his wife, girlfriend, whatever, we passed once, he was telling her, no, you don't want this, you don't want that, etc. Found myself next to them again at a counter with various semi-autos (I was looking for any CZAKs, among other things

) They had hailed a salesman, the guy was telling him "We want a 9mm, light, compact, ladies' type gun, with an easy-to-work slide." A carry gun, right, not a plinker or target gun..So the salesman asks, Is she familiar with guns? The guy confirms my first impression--"No, she's never had a gun in her life" In the course of showing her a semi-auto, he has her try the slide-she barely made it, he had her try again, I saw her face all screwed up with the effort, she barely got it back again-- he was explaining how the slide would hold open on an empty mag, or with the slide stop, this and that--Guys, it was all I could do to keep myself from butting right in and saying, "what are you guys doing?? Stop this foolishness, walk her over to the revolvers, and get her a compact .38--in fact, I saw a .32 Mag with a titanium alloy frame and bobbed hammer that would be perfect for purse or fanny-pack carry and won't take her weeks to learn how to use effectively.." It's funny what gets to you, I know it was absolutely, positively none of my biz, but I was a bit put out that the clerk didn't at least ask, "have you folks considered a revolver?" And it's obviously still stuck in my brain--somebody bring me back to reality here...

beasleydano · Post by **beasleydano** » January 29th, 2007, 10:30 am

himmel

You are right on target! My wife and I both like the S&W Airweight Bodyguard. A good double action revolver is best for most newbies to start with. And there are still a lot of experienced pistoleros who prefer them over semi-autos. The way some people introduce newbies to the gunsports with firearms that are unsuited to them can lead to a complete lack of interest. It is as true with sporting arms as it is with self defense weapons. For example, your son wants to hunt so you get him a .410 that he can't seem to hit anything with or a single barrel 12 gauge shotgun that kicks him like a mule. First impressions mean a lot to a newbie and the harm is already done by the time you substitute a semi-auto 20 gauge sized for him.

redfestiva · Post by **redfestiva** » February 1st, 2007, 1:28 am

The P - 64 is my only semi automatic. I have two revolvers , a 38 special and a huge 22 caliber large frame 6" barrel. I love the revolvers but the P - 64 is my most recent purchase so it is sorta the flavor of the month. I'm having lots of fun with it and it is my primary carry gun due to its size. I'm trying to get lots of range time with it so that I will be instictively familiar with it in an emergency.

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