Glock pistols

hairypolack · Post by **hairypolack** » March 17th, 2009, 3:59 pm

I think my next purchase will be a Glock. I have gotten my hands on one but I was wondering if anyone here owned one and would like to give me some advice to take along with me when I get the funds together to buy my pistol. I hear nothing but good things about them but if there are some red flags I should look out for, let me know.

electross · Post by **electross** » March 17th, 2009, 6:45 pm

My son owns a Model 17. It functions great. Its a polymer frame etc. and a nice huge magazine. Something about the angle of the grip is just not right for me. It shoots and is accurate enough, easy to field strip and put back together. All of the law enforcement agency's couldn't be wrong. Don't own one, don't know if I would buy one (the grip thing) so I don''t know. My other son has a model 27. I would buy one of those. its small, .40SW cal. and a little boxy for ccw but shoots great. That one gets a thumbs up from me. Once again its reliable as expected. Its up to you.

eagle71 · Post by **eagle71** » September 17th, 2009, 11:10 pm

hp-
Did you ever end up buying a Glock? If so, which model, and how do you like it?

paulski · Post by **paulski** » September 22nd, 2009, 1:34 pm

I know this thread is about dead,
But go for the glock.

It is quite accurate, huge capacity & you can put the Glock-Clip on it.
This eliminates the need for a concealed carry holster & makes it much more low profile.

It will not line up with your hand like the P-64 though.
& the sights line up to a shallow pyramid, unlike the P-64's sights that line up flush. (mine are nitesights ;D(they glow GREAT))
When I switch from my P-64 to G-17 it takes a couple shots to get my accuracy on.

The only RED FLAG is in the .40cal Glocks.
They are a modified 9mm pistol & they have been known to rarely have catastrophic failures. The good news is that it usually just cracks the breech & blows out the mag. Glock recommends against hand loads Or really HOT ammo.

Google "Portland Oregon police officer sues glock." this was over an issue with the .40cal.
Portland Police are no longer allowed to carry .40's. They choose between the 9mm & .45.

Other than the .40's all the glocks were designed around their specific caliber. & I have NEVER herd about a single failure other than the .40cals. & I searched.

Just remember... You don't buy a glock because it is a thing of beauty.... You buy a glock because it is the AK-47 of pistols. Unless you "limp wrist" It will NEVER fail to function on you.

Here is my 2nd gen G-17 Next to my new baby.
Note the Glock clip. I cant recommend anything better for concealed carry of a full size sidearm.

donnerwetter58 · Post by **donnerwetter58** » September 22nd, 2009, 5:31 pm

Glocks are the original cheap plastic pistols. They are popular with police departments for budget reasons.
That said, they are reliable, accurate and light.
The only downside I see is the safety aspects of Glocks. The 'tripple safe action" is BS. Yes you have to pull the trigger but there is no safety for accidental trigger contact. To pocket carry with a round chambered would be foolish. Even my local Glock loving gun dealer wouldn't pocket carry a Glock.
The early Glock 17 was known to discharge all by itself. It took nothing but a vibration. It happened to my brother when he sat a box down on his gun bench. Glock was 4 feet away and discharged. No injuries but his gun safe was splattered with bullet and concrete fragments. When Glock was consulted they admitted this was an issue and he could return his pistol for the "trigger upgrade". Any manufacturer worth a damn would have recalled these pieces of s@&t and repaired them. Not Glock though. A recall would be admitting a problem and the potential liability.
Do a bit of research on accidental discharges and see how many times Glock comes up.
For carry purposes the Glock would be the least safe of any modern pistol.
Glad I have a P-64.

Post by **dfunk** » September 22nd, 2009, 9:34 pm

I cant make friends with the grip, the bore axis is too low for me to quickly acquire the sight picture, the .40 has an UNSUPPORTED chamber (like all of them although the 40 is the only one of concern) and is unsafe, and important parts like the trigger are plastic. With that said, the Glocks I've shot were reliable and accurate, but nothing stellar. Pocket carrying a Glock is like walking around with a brick in your pocket - I'm not sure why you'd even try. You should always use a good holster, even when throwing it in your pocket. I gotta tell ya, am I'm sure I'll catch hell from a few of you, but I do like the XD, though.

rottenrick · Post by **rottenrick** » September 22nd, 2009, 10:14 pm

Dickfunk, I have the same problem with the grip,seems to ok' around the thumb and index finger, but down where the heel or meat part of the hand, is at the mag well, doesn't fit. I did checkout a XD-45 after reading an article, it fit fine.

paulski · Post by **paulski** » September 23rd, 2009, 1:53 am

You guys are correct about the lack of pocket carry ergonomics.
The P-64 is about as large as you would want to go for this purpose.
That being said, I carry mine on my right side, utilizing the "Glock-clip". I am conscious about trigger snags while "holstering"(for lack of a better term)

I live in the "hood" of my area, & 1 time I actually had to reach for it.
If I had to dig in my pocket, the guys that were attempting to rob me would have had time to get close enough that I may have actually had to use it. or they may have been able to get it away from me. they were both over 6'3" 230lbs. I am 6'1" & have learned the hard way that fighting 2 guys at once is not to cool.

By jumping back & being ready to draw quickly, I was able to peacefully divert the situation. I still notified the police after the bad actors ran off.

I have started carrying the P-64 on my side in the same manner since acquiring it. For the same reason. (I bought a VERY thin holster)

Also, I feel it is better to be able to grab the grip & be ready to draw, rather than actually having to completely draw down on a person.

If my sidearm leaves my side, someone's day is about to take a drastic turn for the worse. I don't "brandish" to feel tough and I would like to avoid a situation where a LEO drives by seeing me drawing down on a guy. I would be in the right, but it would be a stressful situation explaining at first. Not to mention laying face down on the street with my hands behind my head.

All this said, my G-17 is 2nd gen, I hate the groves of Gen-3 grips, I chose the glock after a lemon of a P-64 (stove-piper) because I got it for $350.00 (used Portland police Glock). Kieth's sporting goods in <s>Portland</s> Gresham Or. sells them, they have a whole cabinet full, they have the Portland Police contract.

The G-17 is the only full size high capacity that I would conceivably carry concealed due to it's light weight & slender receiver.

Also, my aunt lives in L.A.. I remember how she was talking during the riots. My Uncle was with the men in the lobby of their condo building with shotguns, while my aunt was on the roof with the women pulling lookout watches.
South Central is just several blocks down Wilshire, a VERY upscale part of L.A.
I feel in a riot situation, an 18 round combat pistol would be quite useful.

I have put 200 rounds of silver bear through my P-64 so far without a malfunction.
I will put another 300 through it soon. If it proves to stay this reliable, it will become my dedicated concealed piece.
Of course the P-64 is a GREAT backup, no matter what you're carrying.

blackblade · Post by **blackblade** » September 23rd, 2009, 1:56 pm

I like the Glock 19 for the ergonomics. My CCW are a Polish P-64 in a Nemesis pocket holster in my left front pocket and a Glock 19 in a MTAC holster with two extra magazines in an ankle holster. During very warm weather and when on my bike I have the P-64 in one of Dick's IWB holsters.

heavyduty77 · Post by **heavyduty77** » September 23rd, 2009, 3:59 pm

If you're looking for the most ergonomic and dependable pistol for carry and home defense it would be very difficult to find anything better than a Browning Hi-Power in .40 S&W caliber. When you pick one up you'll think it's a part of your arm! It sights easily and has a very narrow width that makes it nice to carry. The 10+1 round capacity is a nice feature too (13+1 in 9mm)! IMO, the only pistol with a nicer feel and trigger action would be a 1911 model but it's a tad too big to carry comfortably. If at all possible, I wouldn't use anything smaller than .40 caliber for defense purposes. (FWIW, the Connecticut State Police Tactial Unit (Connecticut's SWAT equivalent) has turned in all their 9mm's for custom made 1911's in .45 ACP!)

Also, if you're into target or competition shooting you can get a conversion barrel and magazines to convert the .40 Hi-Power to 9mm. Makes it even more versatile! Some more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power

If for some reason you absolutely have to have a "plastic" pistol, I'd have to agree with dickfunk; check out the Springfield "XD Series." I think it would be a better choice than the Glock. Just my 2 cents worth!
See: http://www.americancopmagazine.com/arti ... index.html

eagle71 · Post by **eagle71** » September 24th, 2009, 6:15 pm

I love Glocks. Bitten by the Glock bug, and still infected. Got three of 'em (so far): A 2nd gen 17 for competition, a 3rd gen 19 for winter CCW (P-64 is summer CCW), and a 2nd gen 21 for home defense.

blackblade · Post by **blackblade** » September 25th, 2009, 3:21 am

Got a few Glocks myself (G26, G19 and G17).

Simple and reliable.

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