Loose Magazines

garry · Post by **garry** » September 14th, 2007, 6:33 am

I noticed that one of my magazines was moving vertically as much as 2 or 3 mm's in the well. I can see how this could be a problem but, I would think that if it were snuggled up tight in the top it would feed more reliably? It clicks into place properly ,and, It feeds just fine everytime . I just thought i'd see if any of yours move up and down in the magwell? I haven't had time to inspect it closer yet but i thought i'd ask and see if something needs to be altered?
It seems as though it has way too much freedom.
Thanks guys , G

Post by **normsutton** » September 14th, 2007, 6:56 am

Garry
If it is an unloaded mage it's no problem
if its a loaded mag you have a problem
check for wear on mag catch on mag if on one mag
if all mags check wear on mag catch on gun and spring tension

NORM

garry · Post by **garry** » September 14th, 2007, 7:02 am

oops i just modified my post there Norm, please read again.
Yes the mag catch clicks into place fine. I will check it loaded right now ........
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......ok Thanks Norm ! It is tight when loaded . I noticed it when it was empty , with the slide open. That takes care of that ! lol You Rool Norm ! Thanks Man, G

garry · Post by **garry** » September 14th, 2007, 7:11 am

While you are here Norm, What is the purpose of the hinged buttplate on the M1 rifle? is it for use as a Flip-up shoulder rest or just to cover the "other" butt pad with the tool access? do you know? Thanks You Sir ! G

Post by **normsutton** » September 14th, 2007, 7:25 am

Garry

cleaning kit goes in there on the m1
the m14 has a flip up buttplate to be used when shot on full auto an also has a trap door for cleaning kit

NORM

garry · Post by **garry** » September 14th, 2007, 9:52 am

OOOOH , Thanks, so it does go over the shoulder to steady it? Because it felt right when i held it and yes you are Right about it being an M14. A friend has one and I checked it out yesterday. WOW , I see why all the fuss ! That is one fine piece of Artwork there. For some reason he replaced the top handguard with a smooth top and so i mistook it for an M1. It is a very nice springfield Brand new condition .308 . It is about 10 years old i think. But man that is a sweet rifle and I want one ! I'll shoot it within a week or two. See ya, G

nbender · Post by **nbender** » September 14th, 2007, 9:58 am

I shot a pile of M-14's on full auto in the Army 40 years ago and I don't remember a flip-up buttplate. Is this a feature on all of them? My memory fades ...

But I do remember that the M-14 is just about uncontrollable in full auto. The M-16 felt like toys to us after being trained on the M-14, but they really shone in the full-auto mode.

Post by **normsutton** » September 14th, 2007, 11:11 am

USGI M14 Buttplate

nbender · Post by **nbender** » September 14th, 2007, 11:26 am

That item is just not familiar to me. It's obvious they were made, but my question is were they standard? I don't think so.

Pull the trigger on a full auto M-14 and after the second round the sun, moon, and stars above were your target.

Post by **normsutton** » September 14th, 2007, 11:40 am

nbender

it was standard issue
they told me in military school and in basic training
that it was for full auto I don't know never got to fire it on full auto ,
but like you said,the second round the sun, moon, and stars above were your target. what I heard too

NORM

Post by **papabear** » September 14th, 2007, 12:43 pm

Not trying to start or end something here, but I think the first M14's didn't have the hinged butt plate, I was shooting then in '62 and don't remember them, but later on they did have the hinged butt plates, so maybe, after they discovered the sun, moon and stars problem they changed to the hinged plate, this is just what I remember, which doesn't mean much, cause I can't remember squat that much any more, but I do remember that the M14 on full auto was real load, if it had been heavier more like the BAR then maybe it would have been more controllable. I believe some models of the M14 had a bi-pod to help control the recoil, but I don't think it helped much.

Added Info: I Googled about the M14 and found out that the M14 was modeled after the M15 in 1959 and the M15 had a hinged butt plate, however, the M1 butt plate would fit and was used to shorten the length of the butt stock by 1/4". So, some of the early M14's might have had the M1 butt plate on them???

This site has a ton of info on the M14:
http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/m14typeriflesd.htm

papabear

Post by **normsutton** » September 14th, 2007, 2:15 pm

I don't want you guys to think you are losing it

they also show it here in this brake down

http://www.surplusrifle.com/m14m1a/rifl ... /index.asp

and for it's purpose I'm just going on what I was told

NORM
PS . GOOD INFO papabear

Post by **papabear** » September 14th, 2007, 3:38 pm

Norm,

I guess I'm losing it, I would have bet breakfast that the M14 I was shooting in '62 at Fort Chaffee in Fort Smith, Ark. didn't have the hinged butt plate, but rather the M1 type butt plate, my dad was the XO with the 100th Div back then, and when I got out of HS I lived with him at Fort Chaffee.............ok, I'll by breakfast when we come down hows that.......... ;D. I do know that in '65 the M14 had the hinged butt plate, at least the ones I shot did.

papabear

Post by **normsutton** » September 14th, 2007, 4:24 pm

papabear
your on

I went through basic at Ft.POLK LA. winter of 68 & 69 and we had the hinged buttplate, the guys that did their AIT there trained on the M16

NORM

bzinggg · Post by **bzinggg** » September 14th, 2007, 5:49 pm

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