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P 64 as C&R
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P 64 as C&R
Mecenas,
Yes, Massachusetts is the same way. Once a firearm is on the ATF C&R list it can be acquired regardless of the "Mass Compliance List" of firearms allowed to be sold in the state. The other option while it continues to not be on the C&R list, is to find someone in state that already owns one, had it prior to the Mass list was created in 1994 (I think) as the state allows face to face transfers (4 per year) of any weapon owned legally in state by a licensed resident, regardless if it is on the compliance list or not. Anything (pretty much, I'm unsure about hi capacity and assault type weapons) that you owned prior to the Ma list is legal to "transfer" (read: personal sale) to someone but not through an FFL. I have yet to find more than one person in Massachusetts that owns a P64 and haven't found anyone (including that 1 owner) willing to sell one! So I live vicariously through all of you and dream. In the mean time I own a Makarov and just made my first C&R purchase, M91/30 Mosin Nagant rifle dated 1925. Find a curator...find a museum...what evidence can we use to convice someone of the P-64's value as a C&R. We have enough heads on this board is there real potential to convince someone here?
Yes, Massachusetts is the same way. Once a firearm is on the ATF C&R list it can be acquired regardless of the "Mass Compliance List" of firearms allowed to be sold in the state. The other option while it continues to not be on the C&R list, is to find someone in state that already owns one, had it prior to the Mass list was created in 1994 (I think) as the state allows face to face transfers (4 per year) of any weapon owned legally in state by a licensed resident, regardless if it is on the compliance list or not. Anything (pretty much, I'm unsure about hi capacity and assault type weapons) that you owned prior to the Ma list is legal to "transfer" (read: personal sale) to someone but not through an FFL. I have yet to find more than one person in Massachusetts that owns a P64 and haven't found anyone (including that 1 owner) willing to sell one! So I live vicariously through all of you and dream. In the mean time I own a Makarov and just made my first C&R purchase, M91/30 Mosin Nagant rifle dated 1925. Find a curator...find a museum...what evidence can we use to convice someone of the P-64's value as a C&R. We have enough heads on this board is there real potential to convince someone here?
P 64 as C&R
Get the importer to go for the C&R status. I sure has driven CZ82 sales the last few weeks. More profit for the importer.
P 64 as C&R
Those Mosin Nagant rifles are some rugged reliable old battle weapons ! I have the M44 and love it , and want to get a couple more, a long91/30 and an M38.
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P 64 as C&R
I can't wait to shoot this thing! If it is as good as everybody says I'm going to look for a twin (same year different arsenal) and so the collecting begins!
P 64 as C&R
First, to answer carguy - I tried to get an import license for P 64 in 1994 - the answer was no - it didn't meet the ATF regs. I was in shock when the same gun got the ATF approval eight years later. These guns were first imported to the USA long after the Massachusetts and California laws took effect.
Secondly, the importer can not get the C&R status for their guns. They could only submit them to the lab for testing to be able to pass the Massachusetts and California laws but these tests are expensive and risky. You must have the first 50 shots without a single burp then there is a drop test and then others. It is not that easy.
C&R status can only be obtained by a city or state museum curator (these are accepted without any questions by ATF) or by ATF approval for some unique, unusual or bizzare guns. Of course if the gun is 50 years old it automatically qualifies.
I thought that there may be enough interest on this board for someone to perhaps know a curator and try to get museum certificate. It still is my hope if people really read the post.
Secondly, the importer can not get the C&R status for their guns. They could only submit them to the lab for testing to be able to pass the Massachusetts and California laws but these tests are expensive and risky. You must have the first 50 shots without a single burp then there is a drop test and then others. It is not that easy.
C&R status can only be obtained by a city or state museum curator (these are accepted without any questions by ATF) or by ATF approval for some unique, unusual or bizzare guns. Of course if the gun is 50 years old it automatically qualifies.
I thought that there may be enough interest on this board for someone to perhaps know a curator and try to get museum certificate. It still is my hope if people really read the post.
P 64 as C&R
No argument from me my friend. I only wish I knew someone. I'm afraid to ask the one person I know in Mass with a P-64 how he pulled that one off! So I figure we got about 7 more years, production started in 1964...then the chase will be on!
And yes Garry those Mosin Nagants are awesome. I picked mine up cheap from Classic Arms for $79. If you really are interested in the M91/30 he has some great inventory from what they told me when I called and by the example I got (all matching, granted it is re-arsenaled, nice stock some flaking varnish but just needed some TLC, and a very clean bore). I see more to come.
And yes Garry those Mosin Nagants are awesome. I picked mine up cheap from Classic Arms for $79. If you really are interested in the M91/30 he has some great inventory from what they told me when I called and by the example I got (all matching, granted it is re-arsenaled, nice stock some flaking varnish but just needed some TLC, and a very clean bore). I see more to come.
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Thanks Carguy ! I am not that picky on the looks as i like to shoot them ,tho i do have some nice guns! I LIKE nice guns but as long as they shoot nice it is fine by me ! I definitely will get more of them as $$ allow.
I'd really, really like an SVT40 ! semi-auto, of course. That 7.62x54r is one mean shooting cartridge !!! Big effects ! even the accuracy on the M44 and 38s are great !(shorter barrels) ,so, I can only imagine how impressed I'll be with the long guns ! i had an Argentine 98 Mauser that shot like the MN also, but it left me !
sad sad . Hopefully the jerk will return it someday. yeah right.
I just saw the MN M59 the other day for the first time ! ( i thought the M44 was the newest version.) Those are nice looking too. but i want a long one w/scope mount first ! G
I'd really, really like an SVT40 ! semi-auto, of course. That 7.62x54r is one mean shooting cartridge !!! Big effects ! even the accuracy on the M44 and 38s are great !(shorter barrels) ,so, I can only imagine how impressed I'll be with the long guns ! i had an Argentine 98 Mauser that shot like the MN also, but it left me !
sad sad . Hopefully the jerk will return it someday. yeah right.
I just saw the MN M59 the other day for the first time ! ( i thought the M44 was the newest version.) Those are nice looking too. but i want a long one w/scope mount first ! G
P 64 as C&R
There are 3 options for the sniper M91/30.
1) an original, good luck finding one and if you do, mortgage the
house to pay for it.
2) buy a replica, rearsenaled M91/30 with later / after market
mounts and scopes (you might get lucky with the scope and
mounts but you might not).
3) make your own, buy the M91/30, bent arm bolt, mount and
scope, then drill and tap or buy the new after market sight
mounted scope and replace the rear sight with it.
Nothing but your budget, ingenuity, hands on ability and desire for authenticity (or not) will limit you there. My son loves shooting with a scope so I may pick up a sight mounted scope to play with, I can always remove it and put my 1925 back into original shape quickly.
1) an original, good luck finding one and if you do, mortgage the
house to pay for it.
2) buy a replica, rearsenaled M91/30 with later / after market
mounts and scopes (you might get lucky with the scope and
mounts but you might not).
3) make your own, buy the M91/30, bent arm bolt, mount and
scope, then drill and tap or buy the new after market sight
mounted scope and replace the rear sight with it.
Nothing but your budget, ingenuity, hands on ability and desire for authenticity (or not) will limit you there. My son loves shooting with a scope so I may pick up a sight mounted scope to play with, I can always remove it and put my 1925 back into original shape quickly.