Leather IWB Holsters for P-64, Makarov PM

Post by **normsutton** » May 9th, 2007, 3:05 pm

papabear

THANKS

but still I don't know didily squat about Holsters
but thanks to you I"m learning

I like a lot of pix too

NORM

carguy · Post by **carguy** » May 9th, 2007, 5:40 pm

As long as it works then great! Like I said in my original post, I hadn't noticed it before and thought maybe it was me.

Ishi: I'd still like to know if there was a reason to design it that way or was it just a coincidence that it turned out that way and worked as well as it does?

Thanks

Post by **papabear** » May 9th, 2007, 8:39 pm

papabear

THANKS

but still I don't know didily squat about Holsters
but thanks to you I"m learning

I like a lot of pix too

NORM

Norm,

You know a lot about the really important things though and thanks again!!!

papabear

Post by **papabear** » May 9th, 2007, 9:09 pm

Just to show that not all IWB holsters have the thumb break on the inside next to the body.............

but again, most IWB thumb breaks are next to the body.........but some are and not just Galco. IMHO the Firebrand IWB holster is a very good value for $12.95 + $3 shipping. I personally use the "Clipdraw IWB on one of my P-64's as a crossdraw, as I will for the Firebrand IWB, and as I stated before, for me it works great.

Galco IWB holster for Beretta 92 FS

Galco IWB holster for CZ75 P01

papabear

carguy · Post by **carguy** » May 9th, 2007, 9:35 pm

I stand corrected...or maybe not...is it set up like that as it is a middle of the back holster. Obviously from that picture it is not a standard right hand IWB holster. You can see by the tilt of the butt of the pistol it would not work as a right or left hand IWB holster...unless a lefty wants the butt leanning backwards!That makes sense for an in the back holster. I'll have to look now and see if others are designed that way as well.

Thanks

truth · Post by **truth** » May 9th, 2007, 9:35 pm

IWB holsters...Were do you carry them???? I like it in front, in between my pocket and zipper. Were do you, carry an IWB??

carguy · Post by **carguy** » May 9th, 2007, 9:52 pm

Same place for me sometimes further back on my right hip. But my IWB holster has the sights facing forward and the butt riding up my back leaning forward. That picture has the muzzle pointing to the crack of his butt. I've never carried in the middle of my back...I remember the old TV show Magnum PI when Tom Seleck used to carry a 1911A1 mexican in the small of his back!

brigade · Post by **brigade** » May 9th, 2007, 9:57 pm

Good search papabear... We actually had a design like that and that style is a "mob" middle of back holster where you draw with the strong side hand therefore inherently your hand is forced to draw with your knuckles against your spine and thumb out. Because of that, the thumb-break has to be on the outside in this case only where the thumb will naturally reside and break away. Their IWB holsters don't even have thumb-breaks any more as far as I know. As a holster maker for 15 years of testing and developing IWB holsters, a thumb-break (IWB) holster have prov-en ineffective in emergency life threatening situations. My company has worked with swat, narc officers, FBI, DEA and air marshals and and have come to the conclusion that upon that moment of life or death panic condition a thumb-break is hands down a huge liability to your life with "trained" indiduals. Weapons training at the Sig Arms training academy who we have supplied holsters to have also given us the same input and don't recommend them. I know, I know, some folks still like the idea of a thumb-break which is why we offer one design that way. But are actually considering removing it from our line. A good IWB made of good wet-fitted cowhide truly need no thumb-break. That is why it is hard to find them. Just my 2cents to help my guys on this board. I am the kind of person that will go out of my way to help folks with what they need and I felt this info was important to say. You guys on this board are great and I look forward always reading what everybody has to say and learn from others as well. Thanks for reading.
-Troy

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » May 10th, 2007, 7:38 am

I dont see any problem ith the set up ...

ishi · Post by **ishi** » May 10th, 2007, 7:44 am

Sorry guys, for not keeping up with the posts in so long. I was in the hospital for about 4 days and spent another 3 days of hell at home, just now I'm getting well enough to look at these posts. (actually, now I have the muscular control to type on a keyboard, yay)

I'm flattered by your interest and discussion of my holsters - and I take your feedback seriously.

About the thumbbreak direction, I personally found that the body-side break, which I tried first when prototyping, was harder to use. When pressing inward against the body, it seems to me that clothing and flesh provide resistance against the thumb break, and sometimes I have to really push to get it to break.

The outward sweep seems much more natural to me, with the outward sweep to break and then a downward to release the safety.

Of course, personal preference has to be taken in to account. I'm aware that most big holster companies are using body-side thumbbreaks, and it makes it me question my own logic. After all, their designs must be informed by long experience and use, so I can't ignore it.

Post by **papabear** » May 10th, 2007, 8:02 am

TTH,

Thanks for the info on the thumb break ineffectiveness, and how that you bring it up, I can see your point. I appreciated you comment's,

"A good IWB made of good wet-fitted cowhide truly need no thumb-break", and " I know, I know, some folks still like the idea of a thumb-break which is why we offer one design that way".

Call me old fashioned and frugal, but usually the wet-fitted holsters cost in some case's almost as much as the pistol, not that this has anything to do with your other comment,

" My company has worked with swat, narc officers, FBI, DEA and air marshals and and have come to the conclusion that upon that moment of life or death panic condition a thumb-break is hands down a huge liability to your life with "trained" indiduals.

But for me, I'm ambidextrous, right hand strong, and because of my build, 5'10" and 250, and in decent condition for a "old fart", things around my waist tend to move around some, ie. holsters, cell phones, etc, etc. I prefer a crossdraw normally, however with this "Firebrand holster" I can wear it both ways, crossdraw or on my right side, I do have one holster that is left hand draw that I carry "mob" style and I can draw it from my right hand, which for me is very comfortable.

Again though, I thank you and appreciate your post and comments, and completely agree with your analysis of the thumb-break holsters, and I will look into getting wet-fitted holster's for a couple of my pistols.

papabear

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » May 10th, 2007, 8:03 am

hey I thought it was good way also .. am still interested when ever you are ready as you know by pm I sent you...
to expand a little more I like the extra snap.. been in a couple too many situations where I have come to appreciate the extra security.. also like the break where it is much more effective for me at least...

ishi · Post by **ishi** » May 22nd, 2007, 7:59 pm

Hey everybody,

I had a wicked case of food poisoning that left me in the hospital and recovering at home for 2 weeks. So sorry to anybody that wanted a holster and couldn't get one. I'm accepting orders again, and have plenty of stock to fill those orders.

BTW, thanks to all the folks that wrote to me wishing me better health, it really cheered me up when I was down.

-ishi

dewdrew01 · Post by **dewdrew01** » May 24th, 2007, 9:44 am

I ordered one yesterday. I can't wait.

I would also be interested in a matching, single or dual mag carrier.

-Drew

anjdrifter · Post by **anjdrifter** » May 24th, 2007, 1:23 pm

hey hey everyone who hasn't gotten a holster from ishi eat your hearts out just got mine about 1/2 hour ago already in love with it
it is all he said it was and all papabear said about his...
if you dont have one you should .. but lets not work the guy to death... and no I have no kickback, payoff,discount or anything else...just really like his work and how versatile it is..

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