Hello,
i just bought a P64. i haven't shot it yet and i have noticed that is has no DA at all. i pull the trigger and the hammer doesn't move.
i have also noticed that when i have a empty mag in and pull the slide back it lock open like it should, but when a take the mag out and pull the slide and let it go the hammer drops. all of this is with the safety off. when i let the slide go slowly the hammer stays cocked. so with this i feel that when shooting the gun the power of the slide would cause the hammer to drop.
any ideas for both problems would be helpful.
no DA
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snailman153624
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Re: no DA
It sounds like your safety is dropping part way and popping back up once the slide slams forward.
This is why I don't fully trust the safety/decocker on these...it seems if you could flick the safety on and back off really quick, the hammer could fall and hit the firing pin. In your case, it would turn your pistol into an inadvertent slam-firing full auto.
This is why I don't fully trust the safety/decocker on these...it seems if you could flick the safety on and back off really quick, the hammer could fall and hit the firing pin. In your case, it would turn your pistol into an inadvertent slam-firing full auto.
Re: no DA
Welcome to the forum
Take a look at your trigger bar to see if it is broken.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4632&p=44398&hilit= ... 4d6#p44398
Take a look at your trigger bar to see if it is broken.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4632&p=44398&hilit= ... 4d6#p44398
Laugh Hard and Often.
Gary
Gary
Re: no DA
snailman153624 wrote:It sounds like your safety is dropping part way and popping back up once the slide slams forward.
This is why I don't fully trust the safety/decocker on these...it seems if you could flick the safety on and back off really quick, the hammer could fall and hit the firing pin. In your case, it would turn your pistol into an inadvertent slam-firing full auto.
that's what i thought might happen. Any ideas on how to fix this problem?
Last edited by tipup on March 9th, 2013, 3:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Re: no DA
Thanks, I was literally just thinking that. i took it apart and found that bar been wore flat where it catches the spur on the hammer. i just got to find a new bar or file a new edge. i'd rather get a new one.Curly1 wrote:Welcome to the forum
Take a look at your trigger bar to see if it is broken.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4632&p=44398&hilit= ... 4d6#p44398
i wish they may complete rebuild kits for this gun.
Re: no DA
They are about $20 straight from Poland: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... 639961#PIC
Shipping takes some time tho. Also you might want to thoroughly inspect all the other parts in that area for wear too, before you order. You don't want to get the Trigger Bar and realize you also need a disconnector, and/or safety detent as well....
Shipping takes some time tho. Also you might want to thoroughly inspect all the other parts in that area for wear too, before you order. You don't want to get the Trigger Bar and realize you also need a disconnector, and/or safety detent as well....
Weasel
When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence.
When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence.
Re: no DA
Yes the safety detent offers the resistance to pushing the safety up and down operated by a spring and bullet shaped piece of metal
Also a new trigger bar may need some filing to fit.
There are some good vids on the forum by on taking the safety apart.
Here is a parts break down the detent and safety spring are 32 and 33.
http://p64resource.com/board/P64_Parts_List.pdf
Let us know how you make out.
Also a new trigger bar may need some filing to fit.
There are some good vids on the forum by on taking the safety apart.
Here is a parts break down the detent and safety spring are 32 and 33.
http://p64resource.com/board/P64_Parts_List.pdf
Let us know how you make out.
Laugh Hard and Often.
Gary
Gary
Re: no DA
The safety dentent is meant to hold the safety in place, either on safe or fire. Since it is spring loaded it allows you to make the change. However if it loses shape or tension it will allow the safety to drop toward the safe position, this could engage the disconnector and cause the hammer to fall. See these two threads:tipup wrote:i guess i'm not sure what the safety detent does. i think that it is for keeping tension on the safety mech., but am really unsure.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5148
and, good pics on page 4 of the safety detent:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1045&start=45
Also is it possible that someone might have put in a new disconnector? Sometimes they require fitting. If the disconnector is to long it could engage out of sync. The disconnector does two things; 1) If the slide is out of battery, it disconnects the trigger bar from engaging. 2) when you rotate the safety it is what disconnects the sear, allowing the hammer to fall safely. If it's not fitting properly it can cause problems with both single and double action, as well as dropping the hammer inappropriately. This thread has some good videos of Removal/Installation. At the 2:10 mark you can see how the disconnector interacts with the trigger bar:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4193
Another thing to consider is the trigger return spring, if that is broken or weak, the trigger bar will not function properly either. Also your sear or hammer could be worn and not allowing the proper retention, or even the sear plunger and spring.
By now you should be starting to understand, there are many parts that interact together that could cause your problems. Before you assume and order just one part as a fix, you should check all the rest. Although the trigger bar may cause a double action/single action problem, it shouldn't cause an out of sync hammer fall. It really sounds like you have multiple issues here.
Where did you get this P-64? Is returning it to the vender, or having them fix it an option?
Weasel
When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence.
When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence.
Re: no DA
Odds are they have more than one there. If not I know they can get more. The local Gander Mountain by my house has two P-64s, two P-83s, and a Yugo M-57 all grouped together behind the counter.tipup wrote:i got it from gander with a protection plan so i'll drop it off with them.
When you go back, this time make sure to function check anything they give you.
Weasel
When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence.
When you vote, you are exercising political authority, you're using force. And force my friends is violence.
Re: no DA
well i took my p64 back to gander today and i showed the guy what it was doing and he was just as worried about the gun being a fully auto as i was. probably because they sold the gun to me in this condition, which if i got caught i would be in trouble and so would gander. we both decided that the gun had been tampered with by the previous owner. he found a different one in back and we switched them out. on this one everything works right. i tore it apart in the store to be sure that it was all there and in working order. 
