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 Post subject: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2012, 5:37 pm 
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School me on the differences. I have fallen for my P64 and the 9x18 and was looking into getting PM and stumbled onto the the P83. I know that the P83 is the update/replacement to the P64. But what are the differences? Larger magazines? Other than the two sentences on wikiapedia I know nothing about it. From what I can tell on the few pictures it is far less PPKish. No hinged trigger guard and very weird hammer,with a slide locking mechanism. Does any one own a P83 and a P64? Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2012, 6:02 pm 
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Main difference is larger size and stamped metal parts.


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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 2nd, 2012, 8:15 pm 
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Joe hit it prettty much. You can find welding marks under the barrel where they welded the 2 stamped metal frame pieces together.
The finish is a lot rougher also.

But like the P64 and CZ82 they are still great bargain get them both and if you don't have a CZ82 get that on your list also.

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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
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I have had several P64s & 2 P83s. I much prefer the P83 over the P64. P83 is larger, Makarov size. I use a Falco open top Makarov holster & mag pouch & they are a perfect fit. P83 has a better trigger, smooth double action/single action. Mag holds more rounds. Accurate & reliable. The only thing about the P64 that is better than the P83 is that it is smaller & easier to carry concealed. OK, the P64 looks better, the P83 has a military look, not pretty like the P64.


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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 4th, 2012, 12:23 pm 
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In my experience, the P-64 seems to be more accurate than the P-83, although they're both more than accurate enough for their intended role. If I were offered the choice as to which one to carry - assuming concealability wasn't an issue - I'd go with the P-83 every time, as I feel it's a more practical gun (in terms of ergonomics and controllability). Every 9x18 fan should have both IMO! :D


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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 4th, 2012, 12:48 pm 
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Is there any advantage of the 83 over a mak? I have the mak and 63 and since the 83 is close to both
I'm not sure I can justify getting one. They do sound like a good gun tho, even if slightly ugly.


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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 4th, 2012, 2:38 pm 
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jonbw wrote:
Is there any advantage of the 83 over a mak?
Magazine capacity. Mak is 8+1. P-83 is 12+1.

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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 4th, 2012, 3:05 pm 
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Magazine capacity. Mak is 8+1. P-83 is 12+1.


I think you might be confusing it with the CZ-82/83.


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PostPosted: May 4th, 2012, 4:28 pm 
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DoubleTap wrote:
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Magazine capacity. Mak is 8+1. P-83 is 12+1.


I think you might be confusing it with the CZ-82/83.
You're right, I had a brain-fart.

'Scuse please. :)

I'm still trying to figure out how I can import a FORT-12. :P

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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 5th, 2012, 5:43 am 
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lklawson wrote:
DoubleTap wrote:
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Magazine capacity. Mak is 8+1. P-83 is 12+1.


I think you might be confusing it with the CZ-82/83.
You're right, I had a brain-fart.

'Scuse please. :)

I'm still trying to figure out how I can import a FORT-12. :P

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Thank you both for replying and I should have looked at the capacity myself.

However since I have this addiction for these 9x18's If I run across one at a gun show
I will buy it. The price is about the same even if more compared to adding postage and
FFL cost. I'm already three guns behind what I want so it will be a long summer.


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The P83 is lighter than the Mak.

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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
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jonbw wrote:
However since I have this addiction for these 9x18's If I run across one at a gun show
I will buy it. The price is about the same even if more compared to adding postage and
FFL cost. I'm already three guns behind what I want so it will be a long summer.
Don't feel bad. I'm four guns behind. ;)

One of them is the P-83 though.

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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 6th, 2012, 9:21 pm 
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lklawson wrote:
jonbw wrote:
However since I have this addiction for these 9x18's If I run across one at a gun show
I will buy it. The price is about the same even if more compared to adding postage and
FFL cost. I'm already three guns behind what I want so it will be a long summer.
Don't feel bad. I'm four guns behind. ;)

One of them is the P-83 though.

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Thanks curly1 as lighter is better for me. I like my mak but it is a bit heavy and I like some of the benefits of the P-83.

IKLawson I Know what you mean as the P-83 will probably be my next purchase, unless.......
I have a list but I really don't dare to look at it as I am also wanting to move to Florida next winter.


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 Post subject: Re: P 64 vs P 83
PostPosted: May 20th, 2012, 10:16 pm 
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The P83 has a better trigger out of the box and I like the mag release better but with that said I prefer my P64 over the P83 because of size and the fit and finish is nicer on the P64 (personal preference). I say buy both.


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+1 buy both.

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